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[Mik]

No, YOUR point, was that we should ban everything that can remotely do harm, in response to my comment about guns. Shit, you can kill someone with a rock, WE SHOULD BAN ROCKS. My point is, that you can't really butter bread all that well with a 9mm, lets call a camel a camel, by protection you mean shoot the other guy. Guns don't shoot love pellets nor do they fire friendly disarm lasers, there are very few places, you can shoot them that won't result in death, unless treated quickly.

You can maybe, maybe justify a 9mm weapon in the home for protection but ... protection from what ? robbery ? okay so this guy going to rob your house .. he thinks shit I better pack some too, so he buys a gun too. Now if a confrontation happens in your home someone is coming out in a body bag, you know what, fuck it I don't think that possesions are that important.

Guns are legal in America, they aint here (though given the fact that several RPG's (no not FF) where handed in last arms decommisioning that may not as conclusive as I'd like to believe) that's not gonna change anytime soon so it's a fairly non-issue. And I'm sure for every horror story of a kid taking a gun to school and shooting up killing people his classroom or accident discharge in the home, there are a thousand and one cases of completely well rounded individuals that decide not go all rambo on society.

I can leave a cricket bat down and assume my little brother isn't gonna do any extreme damage to himself or the nearby area (though he's proved me wrong before), but I wouldn't let him use a carving knife by himself. See what I'm saying here ? there is a level of responsablity that you take for your actions and a level of danger that you deside is appropriate.

Now sure, have guns but lets not hand them out to just anyone , lets have a bit more restriant applied. And while, yes, it is illegal to buy automatic rifles over the counter in the US, ANYONE can buy the parts and assemble them themselves. To get a gun permit for a hunting rifle in Northern Ireland you must go through secuirty checks with the police and have a legitimate use I.E fucking hunting.

On the subject again of Prostution it's been around for thousands of years, its not called the oldest trade in the world for nothing. And it still happens to day, despite being illegal almost everywhere, most of them will be back out that day after being arrested and will be doing it the next day.

Whilst, I'm not naive enough to believe that legalising it will instantly cure all the world problems or even the problems with the industry. Whats going on now isn't exactly an ideal situation, if you had a choice between a dodgy street walker and quasi-respectable service, your telling me that you'd choose the dodgy one?. A licensed operation like that would obivously have to be regualted and monitored just like everything from the food we eat, to the houses we live in are done so. Maybe, enforce them to educate their empolyee's help them get out of the situation that they got themselves into.

If by regulating the service Disney manage to go out business because it becomes legal then shit, there will be egg on my face.

Lets get this straight, I'm not pro prostiution, I don't agree with it in the slightest I believe that a connection between any two people should be about more than a grinding of flesh or and urge satisfied. No, this has no religous basis.


But moraly I don't think we can write people off as pure evil for the choices they make and let it go as a poverty issue, there has always been poverty too, doesn't stop us trying to fix that.


Drugs are cut often 'cut' with any old shite to reduce the purity and increase the quantity from sawdust to rat posion, If someone was going to take drugs I prefer it was carfeully monitored and controlled. Ofcourse, I'd prefer them not to do so at all but that's neglecting the facts, that they will do anyway. I don't smoke, take drugs nor do I drink alcohol (special occasions I make an exception) but I don't feel these should be banned just because I chose not too.

[EchoPark]

Thank you mik thats my point. Ben u just dont fuckin listen to ur self. I have no digs to america, most of my closest m8s are american. Its just stupid ppl i hate like u nah hates a strong word .. but when u just cant win an arguement u just pick up someone elses arguement and then change it to suit urself ... real smart.

I dont approve of protitising but am not totally agasint it, and u cant say a gun and a cricket bat is the fuckin same ... see ur doing it again ur puttin to totally different things together, thinkin there the same. Guns can be used for sport but under very controlled enviorment, like a club.

So please dont say for me to get my head out of my ass its u who has the problem.

And to finish it off u just cant take one statement u see in a mag or a paper, there pretty much basisd.

[Bogey]

On a more personal thought Echo, give me a call once you get your head surgicaly removed from your ass. I never had a beef with you to begin with, but your statment of me being "More fucked up then you thoght" clearly shows that, for whatever reason, you didn't like me. Also, i don't know where the hell all this anti-american hostility is coming from on the UK side of the tracks, but that kind of prejudical atitude REALLY sickens me.

I'm starting to agree with gun legalizing. So they can be used to rid the world of retards like you. Just think about what you're saying.

[kaos]

You know what that does? it diverts money from other people in the entertainment industry that are providing non-harmful forms of entertainment.

yeah cuzz britney spears, and P.Diddy could use that money.

money is money
no matter where or how you spend it, it circulates. it just does.
it doesnt just dissapear after on use.

how do you know that the prostitutes of either case sint going to spend the money on a less harmful form of entertainment?

prostitutes are people too.
for all we know, she could be a gamer. and if that was the case she's pumping hella cash into this "safe entertainment" industry youve created

You basicly are saying you want to increase the availibilty of a trade that's known to be harmfull to all involved.

increased availibility? i dont understand how you get an increase out of funneling the problem and applying pre-requisites for both enployees and patrons.

as for that "study" re-read the first line.
"study on sex trafficking done by the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women"

thats like trusting a study on the quality of Beef done by vegans
a study on african americans done by klansmen
a study on a console war done by a fan boy
a study on a violence in video games done by Jack fucking Thompson.

[Matt]

Cricket bats are made to play cricket. Guns are made to Kill. Shut up.

And Xeno-Raven. I realize it's kinda hypocritical what I said. But when you use your head, you realize it's not. Owning a gun is infringing on someones right to feel safe. When I see my neighbour outside with a drill in his hand making holes in wood. I don't think "oh fuck he could puncture my skull with that and drink my head blood" However If I saw MY neighbour waving a gun around. I'd shit myself.

[Super Goat Weed]

i guess that if ur from a american or anywhere where u can keep a gun u may say that ... cause ppl which country where u can get guns by walkin in to a shop ppl there have no morals at all.

but i'm the one with the atitude problem..

omg ben ur more fucked up than i thought

*gasp* there i go again... oh wait a min, that was echo.

Your pretty much what i thought a is

oops, there it is again. of course after that i kinda felt obligated to take a swing back, and this is what i get:

So please dont say for me to get my head out of my ass its u who has the problem.

oh yeah, because i insulted you OH so much... dude seriously, you came at me with the insults, and i came back. If you can't take what you throw, why are you throwing it to begin with? One thing i never did was tell someone they have a 'problem' simply because they have a different view then me, but you did that right out of the gate. And then you have the balls to come at me saying i have a problem.

Shut up. Seriously. And for heaven's sake learn to freaking TYPE. reading your posts gives me a headache.

Back on topic, You guys do realize we have tons of checks people have to go through, and they have to wait months before they get a firearm right?

Cricket bats are made for hitting things, guns are made for shooting things. I can use a gun to shoot a target, game, or a person, misuse of a tool is just that: misuse. My point is quite valid. You guys need to actually think about what i'm saying instead of jumping down my throat and saying stuff like "I wish i could shoot him"

Yeah, great atitude. I'm waiting for Echo to go after you now and tell you you're acting like a "fucked up sterotype american" (and yeah i know you're not from the US) Think he'll do it? Because apparently people who want to shoot people sicken him and he feels obligated to sling insults at them.

You know it's funny, i was talking to Lesley this morning about this, and you know what i said? i think the only reason i would use a gun against another person is if they were assulting my wife or child, then they'd get a bullet, but other then that, starting a gun battle isn't worth it. You people seem to think that everybody that wants to own a gun just can't wait to kill people, well that isn't the case at all. I think i might enjoy taking a handun to a shooting range, but you better damn well believe i'd never use it against another human being unless i needed to, and even then, i don't know if i could, but it would be out of duty to my family that i would do something like that, not myself or some silly posessions.

Oh and Johnny, sorry you didn't like the last source (even though the ford foundation is pretty legit) maybe you'll like these better :

Contrary to claims that legalization and decriminalization would regulate the expansion of the sex industry and bring it under control, the sex industry now accounts for 5 percent of the Netherlands economy (Daley, 2001: 4). Over the last decade, as pimping became legalized and then brothels decriminalized in the Netherlands in 2000, the sex industry expanded 25 percent (Daley, 2001: 4). At any hour of the day, women of all ages and races, dressed in hardly anything, are put on display in the notorious windows of Dutch brothels and sex clubs and offered for sale -- for male consumption. Most of them are women from other countries (Daley, 2001: 4) who have in all likelihood been trafficked into the Netherlands.

There are now officially recognized associations of sex businesses and prostitution "customers" in the Netherlands that consult and collaborate with the government to further their interests and promote prostitution.

These include the "Association of Operators of Relaxation Businesses," the "Cooperating Consultation of Operators of Window Prostitution," and the "Man/Woman and Prostitution Foundation," a group of men who regularly use women in prostitution, and whose specific aims include "to make prostitution and the use of services of prostitutes more accepted and openly discussible," and "to protect the interests of clients" (NRM Bureau, 2002:115-16).

Faced with a dearth of women who want to "work" in the legal sex sector, the Dutch National Rapporteur on Trafficking states that in the future, a proposed "solution" may be to "offer [to the market] prostitutes from non EU/EEA countries, who voluntarily choose to work in prostitution…" They could be given "legal and controlled access to the Dutch market" (NRM Bureau, 2002: 140). As prostitution has been transformed into "sex work," and pimps into entrepreneurs, so too this potential "solution" transforms trafficking into voluntary migration for "sex work." The Netherlands is looking to the future, targeting poor women of minoritiy background for the international sex trade to remedy the inadequacies of the free market of "sexual services." In the process, it goes further in legitimizing prostitution as an "option for the poor."

Legalization of prostitution in the State of Victoria, Australia, has led to massive expansion of the sex industry. Whereas there were 40 legal brothels in Victoria in 1989, in 1999 there were 94, along with 84 escort services. Other forms of sexual exploitation, such as tabletop dancing, bondage and discipline centers, peep shows, phone sex, and pornography have all developed in much more profitable ways than before (Sullivan and Jeffreys: 2001).

Prostitution has become an accepted sideline of the tourism and casino boom in Victoria with government-sponsored casinos authorizing the redeeming of casino chips and wheel of fortune bonuses at local brothels (Sullivan and Jeffreys: 2001). The commodification of women has vastly intensified and is much more visible.

Brothels in Switzerland have doubled several years after partial legalization of prostitution. Most of these brothels go untaxed, and many are illegal. In 1999, the Zurich newspaper, Blick, claimed that Switzerland had the highest brothel density of any country in Europe, with residents feeling overrun with prostitution venues, as well as experiencing constant encroachment into areas not zoned for prostitution activities (South China Morning Post: 1999).

Oh yeah, sounds like it did wonders for those countries.

And matt, it's completely illegal to brandish a weapon like that, so you've got nothing to worry about. You obviously don't listen to me at all, so try that this time when i tell you that GUNS ARE NOT JUST FOR SHOOTING PEOPLE. they are for game hunting and target shooting as well.

Man it's like talking to a wall.... now where have i heard that before?

If you guys are so concerened about the crime rate, then you should definatly consider not only making guns legal, but making it legal to carry them concieled, just look at this

*quote from wikipedia*

Advocacy for greater availability of concealed carry

In Florida, which first introduced "shall-issue" concealed carry laws, crimes committed against residents dropped markedly upon the general issuance of concealed-carry licenses, which had the unintended consequence of putting tourists in Florida driving marked rental cars at risk from criminals (since tourists may be readily presumed unarmed.) Florida responded by enacting laws prohibiting the obvious marking of rental cars. With this change, crime rates continued to fall alongside the issuance of concealed weapons licenses.

I don't like it, but hey, you're all about making laws that make people safer and lower crime statistics, so maybe you guys would want to try it out.

[Bogey]

If you guys are so concerened about the crime rate, then you should definatly consider not only making guns legal, but making it legal to carry them concieled, just look at this

*quote from wikipedia*
I don't like it, but hey, you're all about making laws that make people safer and lower crime statistics, so maybe you guys would want to try it out.

You do realise that this is only a problem in the first place because guns are legal.

As for that first load of drivel. You post a completely one sided report and expect people to react how? You're also putting words into a lot of people's mouths here, assuming they would say something that they haven't. Nobody is going to take you seriously if you carry on behaving like an idiot I'm afraid.

[Mik]

stop the presses Legalization increases volume of sellers, after prohibition I imagine there was a increase in bars in every city in Norway.

you don't take a 9mm pistol hunting, you don't take a M16 or AK-47 hunting. All the residents are packing so attack the tourists .. ROFL

[Super Goat Weed]

Mik- Try reading the whole thing

Joe- Once again, banning guns only reduced gun crime, this reduced the crime rate overall. I'm sorry if what that report says bothers you guys, but it's 100% accurate and from a completely non biased source. You're gonna have to take things like that seriously if you don't want to look like an idiot i'm afraid.

Yes, and as i've stated before, all the measures you can throw at prostitution will not make it any less dangerous. Apparenly all you guys skip the things i say that you can't argue, like testing can only detect STI's AFTER someone is infected, and if you're talking about a career prostitue, how many people do you think they will have passed it on to before it's caught?

[Matt]

And matt, it's completely illegal to brandish a weapon like that, so you've got nothing to worry about. You obviously don't listen to me at all, so try that this time when i tell you that GUNS ARE NOT JUST FOR SHOOTING PEOPLE. they are for game hunting and target shooting as well.

OH MY! Guns aren't just for shooting people! They're for shooting animals, too! And target practice? Practice at shooting things? Ultimately, for shooting people/animals?

I did read what you said. I am paying attention to what you're saying. I just disagree. It all boils down to killing. We've had the argument on this forum before about the practical uses of guns in hunting. Mike mentioned modified shotguns used in geophysics. Which is all fine and dandy, but the general public owning guns is good for one thing and one thing only. Killing. Doesn't matter what is being killed, guns are here to kill.

Yes, I know it's illegal to brandish a gun like that, but my point is: If I so much as saw a real gun I'd freak out. When I was 14 (laughter time) me and my mate had plastic Ball Baring guns we bought on holiday from Wales, we got them out and shot each other with them. Within 30 minutes the police came with real guns and arrested us. Guns of any description freak people out, here. People have been arrested in their back garden for using a CO2 gas gun, for target practice. In their own back garden.

If you were half as smart as you think you are you'd agree to disagree on this matter and wouldn't waste your time picking holes in Echos post. Clearly you like your right to bare arms and obviously us Europeans cannot understand why you need a gun in the home.

[Super Goat Weed]

i'm cool with that, but being insulted because of differing opinions makes it rather hard for me to just sit down and take it.

There's several sports in both the winter and summer olympics that involve shooting, like the Biathlon, the Pentathlon, and, of course, Shooting. It's a sport, a competition of skill. They are using a rifle the same way a baseball player would use a bat. I don't mind that you think it's good that your country dosn't want to arm it's citizens, and that's fine with me, but if you're gonna stoop to namecalling and biased comments because of that difference, yes, i'm gonna jump down your throat.

Also, are you gonna ban those events when the Olympics come to London in 2012? Because i mean, those guys are definatly not government, or military, or even police, they are civilians. Hell i'm pretty sure you guys have people participating in those events. Isn't that a little hypocritical?

One more thing, unless you're some kind of vegetarian, you better not have a problem with hunting or killing wild game. Some of my favorite dishes you can only make from hunted game, such as Sufreed, or anything made with deer meat, which is freaking awesome. Doing that, however, requires having a gun at home. It's not immoral, or indecent, or even slightly wrong, it's what you do with it that's right or wrong.

Guns are criminal, so answer me this: Who has all the guns now?

Criminals.

BTW, you got arrested for playing with toy guns? LMFAO

[Bogey]

Stop making out you're getting bashed for a difference of opinion. Your opening posts in this thread were bashing other people's morals. And you just fucking did it again with your vegetarian comment. Your "opinions" are backwards, arrogant and insulting in themselves.

It's like reading something from a child. I know I've not put a huge effort into my posts on this, but I'm truely dumbfounded and frankly I'm probably just going to stop all together.

[Super Goat Weed]

I take that to mean you have no response to my argument?

[Bogey]

This is pointless.

liberator.net

Benefits of Legalization
Currently most everywhere in the United States, our legal system penalizes prostitutes and their customers for what they do as consenting adults. Money is still spent on law enforcement efforts to catch prostitutes and their customers. Once caught, justice departments have to process these people through very expensive systems.

What are the end results? Police personnel and courtrooms are overburdened with these cases, having little or no impact on prostitution. The prostitutes and their customers pay their fines and are back to the streets in no time in a revolving door process. Catch and release may work for recreational fishing but it has no deterring affect on prostitution.

Making prostitution legal will allow the act to be managed instead of ignored. Pimps and organized crime figures, who regularly treat their workers on subhuman levels, would no longer control women. In some countries, prostitute rings buy and sell women on the black market, force their women to comply through violence and create unhealthy working conditions. When prostitutes operate independently and in secret, many times they become abused by their own customers.

Legalizing prostitution would prevent underground prostitution that occurs today. When men want to pay for sex, they find prostitutes. These people work in massage parlors, escort services, strip bars and modeling agencies or still work corners as traditional streetwalkers. There are legitimate parlors, dating services, bars and agencies but of the hundreds that exist within newspaper classified advertisements and telephone directories, there are a large number that provide sexual services. A routine search through Google's Internet news engine for 'prostitution' routinely reveals connections between prostitution and these falsetto agencies (Google, 2004).

It is estimated that 100,000 to 3 million teens are nearly invisibly prostituted per year in the United States (Walker, 2002). If we allow prostitution to remain hidden from view and basically invisible to the law as it is today, we allow a number of teens to be swept up into prostitution every year. When adult women decide to exchange money for sex, it is a personal choice open to them under the philosophy of a free, democratic society. When troubled minors who do not yet have the social survival skills decide to prostitute, they are often manipulated by opportunists who exploit these teens, typically leading to horrific ends. Legalizing prostitution will help prevent these instances through regulation.

Legalized, regulated prostitution has many benefits. Encounters can happen within controlled environments that bring about safety for both the customers and the prostitutes. Prostitutes would no longer be strong-armed by pimps or organized crime rings. Underage prostitution would be curtailed. There would also be health-safety improvements.

Same source, but about your rediculous claims that STI would increase.

Health-Safety Issues
The status quo is a poor health-safety plan. With sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) like syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and herpes, prostitutes must be monitored to prevent the spread of these afflictions. Chancroid, a STD typically found in third world nations, is occurring in places throughout the U.S. due to transmission brought on through illegal prostitution (Schmid, Sanders, Blount & Alexander, 1987). Chancroid makes ulcers in the vagina that assist with the spread of HIV/AIDS.

A Public Health Review of Chancroid from the World Health Organization stated:

In Kenya, where the importance of chancroid in HIV transmission was first described in the late 1980s, interventions targeting sex workers and STD patients were implemented. Reported condom use by sex workers has since increased to over 80% in project areas and the incidence of genital ulcers has declined. Chancroid, once the most common ulcer etiology, now accounts for fewer than 10% of genital ulcers seen in clinics in Nairobi, Kenya.

In Senegal, HIV prevalence among pregnant women has been below 1% for more than a decade. A strong multisectoral response, an effective STD control programme and early legalization of prostitution have been credited for this low level. Special clinical services, for example, offer regular examination and treatment for registered sex workers. Not only has there been a significant decline in STD rates among sex workers and pregnant women between 1991 and 1996, but genital ulcers are also no longer common and chancroid is reportedly rare. (Steen, 2001)

Steen cited a practical example of how government can help its citizens. It makes practical sense to monitor prostitution and what better way is there to monitor it than by legalizing it and regulating it? Legalization would require prostitutes to undergo regular medical examinations. STDs would be prevented from being spread as well as other communicable ailments like hepatitis and tuberculosis. It would also reduce gender violence, allow women to escape prostitution, if they so choose, and prevent women from becoming infertile as a consequence to obtaining certain STDs (Gavin, 2001).

a little more, some of it covering the same points:

Sexual relations are handled differently in countries around the world. Most countries encourage varied forms of monogamy, others polygyny. Even in the case of monogamy, there are numerous countries that impose no restrictions on prostitution, unlike a majority of the communities within the United States.

In order to discover if legalization is proper, one has to first familiarize oneself with the U.S. prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s and the legalization of abortion in the 1970s. The implementation of prohibition was a result of an abolitionist philosophy and caused great harm to the country through lost taxes, increased crime rates and higher suicide rates. Similarly, when the U.S. abandoned its abolitionist stand on abortion, the country benefited from fewer deaths from botched back alley abortions. This proved prohibitionist thinking to be baseless and actually detrimental to communities.

There are many benefits to legalized prostitution. The benefits include (1) allowing law enforcement agencies to respond to more important crimes, (2) freeing justice systems from nuisance cases, (3) helping women who are trapped by prostitution, and (4) preventing teens from being ensnared into prostitution.

When data from countries that ban prostitution is compared with data from countries that do not, many startling discoveries can be observed. Countries without anti-prostitution laws have less murders, less rapes, and prosecute/imprison less people. HIV/AIDS is less of a problem; suicide rates are lower as are divorce rates, too.

Critics of the legalization of prostitution offer no alternative to a troublesome problem. These people would rather adopt the status quo model, which virtually abandons lower strata, low socio-economic prostitutes. Instead of managing the problem, these critics view the continued downward spiral of this subgroup as acceptable.

The critics of legalized prostitution rest comfortably within relatively new moral codes. The religions that now reject prostitution once used to manage it. However, even though religionists publicly denounce prostitution, too many hypocritically entertain like services and commit adultery. The Catholic Church has covered up institutional pedophilia at the expense of demeaning religious values and the lives of those who aspire to follow them.

Enlightened people within civilized societies pride themselves on the contributions made to others who are less fortunate. Low strata prostitutes clearly rest within the domain of the less fortunate, but the countries who cling to anti-prostitution laws choose to abandon these people and thereby negatively affect the crime, health, and general safety of those nations. One must reconsider whether or not those countries are truly civilized.

And a little more in-depth on your "free" country:

The Effects of Prohibition
The United States is rooted on freedom of speech, religion and trade. The first two are specifically mentioned early on within The Constitution. Those inalienable rights are not given to us by The Constitution, but are instead protected by it. So why violate the premise by prohibiting relations between consenting adults?

Some people believe that governments can make better choices for us, but it wasn't a vision the Founding Fathers had when they created The Constitution. The U.S. government is designed mainly to be run by the people, which is in direct opposition to modern liberalism that insists it control people. Yet, morally conservative groups that adopted this liberal view of government passed the Eighteenth Amendment to prohibit the distribution and sale of alcohol.

Recall prohibition from 1920 to 1933 and remember the affects it had on alcohol consumption. Home producers created whiskey and bathtub gin. The price of alcohol skyrocketed in black market sales due to heavy demand and the greedy public officials who secretly monitored it, so it was believed. Bootlegging became an underground industry (Nixon, 2001). As a result prohibition did literally nothing to actually prevent alcohol from being consumed by the public.

The government, and ultimately the public, suffered huge losses from prohibition. The government lost considerable amounts of tax dollars from bootlegged alcohol and it became impossible to regulate the quality, i.e. safety, of the product. In attempts to prohibit alcohol consumption through the Volstead Act, spending by the Bureau of Prohibition went from $4.4 million to $13.4 million annually. Spending by the Coast Guard was an average $13 million per year in the 1920s for prohibition alone (Thornton, 1991). In fact when per capita costs are analyzed, spending more to curb behavior did literally nothing against consumption, making a total mockery of law enforcement efforts.

Social irresponsibility of this magnitude during the depression was horrific when considering how these monies could have been spent to do good for society. Programs could have been developed to help the unemployed. Healthcare could have been expanded to include social programs to drive down high suicide rates.

It was thought prohibition would put an end to many social problems but it actually created many more. Increasing the number of laws runs a risk of creating more criminals, and that is exactly what had happened. Jails became filled. Government spending to pay for the housing and maintenance of these criminals went up (Thornton, 1991). Compounded by the lack of intake from alcohol tax, it placed huge dents on public coffers.

Prohibition caused many problems related to criminal activity. There was a causal link between prohibition and an increase in homicides. During prohibition, homicide rates increased over 66%. After prohibition was repealed on Dec. 5, 1933, the homicide rate immediately dropped and eventually reached pre-prohibition levels in the mid-1940s (Thornton, 1991).

The philosophy of prohibition came from many 'dry groups,' but the Anti-Saloon League working closely with the Woman's Christian Temperance Union were the driving forces in establishing prohibition (Ohio State University, 1997). Politics, which is really about solving the problems society faces, became victimized by morally conservative lobbyists. They held a belief that a desire for spirits could be repressed instead of managed. We will see over the course of human history that the philosophy of repression and abolition bears no merit.

So much more information on that website, but I'll just stick with these small snippets.

The fact that certain other countries have gotten parts wrong, simply points out areas for improvement. And besides, it's not like all current laws are 100% successful anyway, you can pull apart the entire judicial system if you wanted. But it's the best option we have.

Let me just pull out a small paragraph from one of my quotes:

Critics of the legalization of prostitution offer no alternative to a troublesome problem. These people would rather adopt the status quo model, which virtually abandons lower strata, low socio-economic prostitutes. Instead of managing the problem, these critics view the continued downward spiral of this subgroup as acceptable.

Sorry I haven't made any points about gun legalizing, but comparing a gun to a cricket bat kind of smashed up your whole point on that anyway, and made your argument null and void.

[Masteroftheweb]

Your opening posts in this thread were bashing other people's morals. And you just fucking did it again with your vegetarian comment. Your "opinions" are backwards, arrogant and insulting in themselves.

That's generally why I don't like 'debating' with you Ben... I've grown beyond argueing with someone that wont listen and insinuates that I'm immoral. No offense intended, but that's why I haven't said much... expect my few quips about how I don't like it when people say my morialy is less than others.