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[Melana]

She didn't fuck any of them. She merely went to dinner with them or whatever it entailed. Your just reading things you want to read.

She PAID taxes herself.

[Super Goat Weed]

You're the one that mentioned her while we were talking about prostitution. I didn't think i was making a jump in that reguard. I'm sure you could see how easy that is to misunderstand. Also, what do you mean by 'whatever it entailed?' and just how far did she go for a buck?


And Johnny, have you seen the poverty in nevada? i'm not talking about the casinos and all that, i mean the actual residential area? It's horrible. In fact, the same can be found in the immediate area wherever prostitution is prevalent, and casinos too. Even in australia where it's legalized and done in controlled brothels, you can easily see the decline in the area around it. I distinctly remember going down a street in Melbourne that had two such establishments on it, and while all around was a lively, prosperous city, the roads the brothels we on were completely horrid.

Another thing, legalization would promote sex trafficking. While it's illegal, we could shut people down for pulling immigrants in and making them work as prostitutes, but if it were legal, this would be common place. Hell a lot of women would probably have to do it to get into the country.

Also, for those of you who think it would be controlled, it wouldn't. Studies have shown that countries where it becomes legal actually have an increse in illegal, street, and CHILD prostitution. It dosn't control the sex industry, it expands it.

And what about the women? this definatly does NOT promote women's health. And choice? HA. It gives men an extra edge. If a girl won't put out for whatever reason, they could always just slide on down to the nearest brothel and have at it with someone there. What about employment opportunities for women in real fields? All the progress we made in the aim of placing men and women on a level playing field in the marketplace would be thrown out the window in an instant.

Hell no, even if you throw out the morals of it, it's a bad idea.

[Mik]

yes goat because none of these issues happen now

[EchoPark]

I just can believe u say prostutites have less morals than ppl who make and sell guns ... i guess that if ur from a american or anywhere where u can keep a gun u may say that ... cause ppl which country where u can get guns by walkin in to a shop ppl there have no morals at all.

I knew a few prostutites in kirkcaldy, its in scotland if some of u's dont know and there quite funny, they go to college and do it at night ... why cause they like sex and they do pratice safe sex they dont have sex without a condom and they got for a std check every so often. They just do it cause they like sex and there is men who will pay for it. No different that ppl who like anything and companies out there sell there products.

To me ppl who make weapons have no morals at all, there just in it for the money and they dont care what weapons can do. And what crazy bastard will get them and go in to a school and kill a number of kids. It happened here at dunblane but we acutally did something about that and took a shit load of weapons of the streets.

Its up to the prostutite to take responilibly and have safe sex and take regualr std checks, like any of us. And its the idiots fault for having sex with a prostutite without a condom.

[kaos]

Youre just about saying Prostitution = Poverty
and that just isnt true by any stretch.

if anything its the other way around.
those run down areas were run down long before the prostitues moved in.

establishments like that are in those areas becuase of circumstance.
I'm sure most of them would like to be in a more secure part of the city but the mentality of those people in the prosperous and secure areas of the city is pretty stuck up. and doesnt allow for it.

one issue here in atlanta is a perfect example.
they dont want the Marta (public rail lines) to have stations in certain areas. can guess which areas these are? and the excuse is maddning.
in general, they claim not to want to allow a certain element easy acess to their dainty little commuinities.

by certain element they mean middle and lower class.
though what I find very funny about the issue is this... those same people doing the bitching are the same people that become the patrons.

those snotty fucks travel into the hoods looking for prostitutes and drugs. why do you think the prices on both are so high? its not for the people who live in the local areas. it cant be, as they live in poverty they surley cant pay for such things.
so who is paying for them?

its your dickheads that dont want it in their community. theyd rather travel to length just to shove shit up their nose and and have theyre way with sexual appetite filled.

at the end of the day the idea is to make it appear that everything wrong in the world is the creation and fualt of those who dont make up the social elite.

[Xanien]

In regards to an earlier post by Ben;

When it comes down to it, only those with the religious convictions, culture, or values to practice abstinence do it. That is not 100% of the population. Therefore it may be "great" as you say for those people, but for everybody else they need to know what a condom is, how to use it, where to buy, and also about planned parenthood centers where girls can get checked for STI's and find out about all sorts of information.


It's funny, but it's almost impossible to find a Planned Parenthood type organization in Japan. People have sex all the time, don't use condoms, and most people believe that STDs and AIDS can only be gotten from foreigners. Pretty stupid huh? They don't teach kids about the importance of condoms or birth control (just like what the current govt. administration is doing in the USA), and it's crazy how many outbreaks are happening here and how many abortions are occurring under the table. Are you going to force the Japanese people, and everybody else in every other country in the world to follow your beliefs of abstinence in order to get funding for things such as AIDS research and drugs?

Fuckkkkk that. There needs to be a double whammy. Promote abstinence and safe sex. It's not hippocritical. Do that and things wouldn't be as bad as they are in Africa and other parts of the world (Including the USA)

[Chewi]

This isn't really an attack so don't read it as such but I find utterly beyond belief how widespread the ignorance about safe sex is. Away from all the religious and moral issues, it's not exactly complicated.

What's Japan's excuse, Ryan? I very much doubt it's religion or morality. If it's simply a stubborn cultural attitude then someone seriously needs to take a stand immediately. It shouldn't be too hard, should it? I get the impression that they are quite easily influenced (among themselves, not by outsiders).

[kaos]

which way do you mean.
the idea that safe sex isnt a widley practice or known issue.
or the the idea that it is?

[Chewi]

About what it actually is, like how the Japanese believe that these diseases can only come from foreigners or how some Africans believe that you can cure HIV by having sex with a baby. :blink:

[Super Goat Weed]

yes goat because none of these issues happen now

Yes wolf, and the solution is to slap a government stamp of approval on it and call it a day?

And Xain, no, it's great for EVERYBODY that practices it. That's common sense, not religious or moral bias, it's scientific fact that abstinance is the ONLY safe way. I also never said that it was bad to teach people how to use condoms and the like, but it should never ever EVER have been done under the label of "safe sex" like it was in the 90's under the Clinton administration. It was a downright fucking lie.

And Johnny, you're right, that's exactly what i'm saying, one usualy causes the other, and i would challenge you to find an exception. I'm sorry if it bothers you, but this is completely different from running public transport near upper class snobs. It's a situation that causes tons of hazards, one of them being decresed property value. It's not a reason in and of itself, but you put it with the rest of the package and you've got yourself a pretty good argument against making it legal. You're right in that it's not fair that people want to seperate themselves from those they don't see as worthy for whatever reason, but you know what the solution should be? Stamp out the illegal activity, not seperate yourself from it. In that i would hope we at least agree.

And echo, First off, weapons are tools, just like anything else. I could use a screwdriver to kill someone, but does that make Sears an immoral company because they made it? Guns are the same thing: Tools. I could use one to defend myself, or my country, and use it the right way, or i could use it to commit a crime and use it the wrong way. It's about the intent, not the object used.

Guess what, i knew a drug dealer too. Really nice guy just trying to make some money off people having a good time. He didn't do it to hurt people, he did it because he liked drugs and wanted to make some money off of 'em as well. After all, they know the risks of snorting coke, but they did it anyway. He was actually saving money to go to college eventually as well. You tell me the difference.

To quote you with a minor change:

i guess that if ur from a [s]american[/s] Scotland or anywhere where u can [s]keep a gun[/s] have sex with a prostitue legaly u may say that ... cause ppl which country where u can [s] get guns [/s]have sex with a random stranger by walkin in to a shop ppl there have no morals at all.

[Matt]

I wanted to respond to Bens posts here, but I've decided I'll waste my time on this post informing you all that I was going to post but feel it's probably more worth while to address a brick wall on this issue.

I will say only this. I'm a libertarian, which if you did not know, means I believe people are free to do as they please providing they do not infringe upon the rights of others. If you feel physically disgusted knowing that someone might be getting paid to fuck, then you need to seek help. Most politicians get paid to fuck people.

Guns are bad, m'kay. To liken them to a tool is retarded. Guns are killing machines. In America, you wouldn't need a gun to protect yourself if every other cunt didn't have one. Fuck, some have two or more. Here, I don't need a gun to protect myself. The police rarely need guns to protect themselves. Gun crimes are very VERY low. There is a direct correlation between the number of guns sold to the public and the number of gun crimes. The reason our gun crimes are low is because they are outlawed.

[Bogey]

I wanted to respond to Bens posts here, but I've decided I'll waste my time on this post informing you all that I was going to post but feel it's probably more worth while to address a brick wall on this issue.

I will say only this. I'm a libertarian, which if you did not know, means I believe people are free to do as they please providing they do not infringe upon the rights of others. If you feel physically disgusted knowing that someone might be getting paid to fuck, then you need to seek help. Most politicians get paid to fuck people.

Guns are bad, m'kay. To liken them to a tool is retarded. Guns are killing machines. In America, you wouldn't need a gun to protect yourself if every other cunt didn't have one. Fuck, some have two or more. Here, I don't need a gun to protect myself. The police rarely need guns to protect themselves. Gun crimes are very VERY low. There is a direct correlation between the number of guns sold to the public and the number of gun crimes. The reason our gun crimes are low is because they are outlawed.

QFT

[kaos]

My transportation example was to explain the reason why you saw particular establishments and not the other. I should have made that i little clearer.

looking to stamp out illegal activity as fool hardy as prohibition, the war on drugs, and the war on terror.

These things are going to happen and theirs never going to be a time when they cease to exist.

I don’t think the answer is to try and eliminate the problem.
I think the answer is to adjust to it and try to keep it controlled.

People are going to drink regardless. They figured that out after prohibition. The following solution has worked pretty well. Tax it, make it only available in small supply or specialty locations, make it only accessible to those of a certain age or older, and penalize those who attempt to get around these requirements.

As long as strict rules are enforced for both patrons and employees, all the things you fear legal prostitution to bring will be suppressed or eliminated all together and things about it that exist now will be extinct.

in a system like that, what need ist their for a pimp, more importantly an abusive one? what need is their for shadey areas and shadey people to hang around? you essentially eliminate the street walker and all the dangers the come with that. and make a cleaner, healthier, safer environment.

moraly people can think what ever they want about it. in the end, no matter what their morals or feelings about it are. they dont have to participate.

like alchol it'll just be another choice thats out there.

[Mik]

the difference being I can't use a gun to do anyhting but shoot ojects, which doesn't really have an objective outside of it intended use, c'ept maybe open a tin of soup. Where a screwdriver can do what it's designed to do as a tool for unscrewing panels of the tighting of fixtures and... I could prolly open a tin of soup with it too if I tried hard enough.

Clearly there would be more to it than a stamp of approval, basic health checks would be manditory for example and generally keeping it on the up and up rather than leaving it in the hands of organised crime.

[kaos]

I imagine the rquirements would pretty much look like this on the employer/employee side of things.

licensing
birth control
drug testing
very frequent check ups
age and age verification
various other external contraceptive use
tax

you could even add standard recording keeping of what client slept with whom, and even have a weekly quota cap.